Thursday, June 24, 2010

Retiring at 66, 67 or even 70 plus?

Over the last few days we have been hearing a lot about the proposed changes to the retirement age. For men that is likely to start going up from 2016 to 66 and then progressively until the age of 70 or even later.

The issue I have is that the idea is fine, as it does save the taxpayer a huge amount of money, but only if there is sufficient jobs available.

Currently the National Office of Statistics reports that 28.86 million people are in work. If we assume that the average person works from the age of 20 to 65, a total of 45 years, then one extra year represents a lengthening of the average working life by 2.22%.

Not much you might say, but that represents over 600,000 extra jobs required each year for each year the pensionable age is increased.

We already have 2.47 million people unemployed with 1.48 million on unemployment benefit looking for work. The number of people unemployed for more than twelve months increased by 85,000 over the last quarter to reach 772,000, the highest figure since the three months to April 1997.

It is reported that during the three months up until May 2010 there was a total of 492,000 vacancies. That is 5.2 unemployed people per vacancy.

If we introduce a further 600,000 jobs required by raising the retirement age, what will that achieve short of increasing the number on unemployment benefit by a huge amount. Of course the current benefit paid to the unemployed (£64.30) is a lot less than that paid as pension (£95.25) ... so the tax payer will save money (£30.95), which is around £1 billion per year.

My other concern is that if people retire at 66, 67 or later then there will be a number of years when very few people will retire and vacate their jobs. These vacated jobs make way for others to be promoted, effectively shuffling everyone one up the employment ladder, perhaps allowing them to earn a little more money, and save a little more for their non state (and state) pension.

This shuffling effect goes right down through the ranks and ages, making space at the bottom for new people. Those new people are our young people finishing school and university.

If this happens the number of unemployed at the younger end of the market will rise dramatically. These are the people who really need to get work and earn themselves a good living, as they have their whole lives ahead of them.

The issue appears to simply be that if we create additional working years (approx 600,000 for each year the pension age is raised) we need to create additional jobs to absorb those years. We are already around 2.5 million jobs short so this is just making the problem worse.

Pumping money into the state system to cover unemployment is short sighted. Surely what we need to do is create more jobs, probably between 3 and 5 million over the next five to ten years.

How?

So much of our manufacturing and services have gone overseas because labour is much cheaper and everyone is interested in reducing costs to a minimum.

Increasing taxes on a sliding scale on the profits of businesses who import goods that we could make ourselves would help.
Introduce import taxes on all imported goods that could be made in the UK. That’s not on materials, services or products that we cannot make, but on those than we can.

Reduce the cost of production in the UK by cutting bureaucracy, cutting manufacturing costs, business rates and encouraging manufacturing all in areas again.

Using some of that money saved to encourage manufacturing in the UK. After all we are a leading nation when it comes to science and technology, once we were the worlds’ leading industrialised nation until we threw it all away in favour of the service industries such as banking! Sorry!
Surely it can’t be that hard to reduce the difference in cost between manufacturing here in the UK and that of some cheaper nation considering transportation and environmental costs, possible tax advantages and incentives to UK manufacturers.

The new government is full of ideas, but is it really looking at the long term affect of what it plans to do.

Based upon material from Office for National Statistics - Published on 16 June 2010 at 9:30 am

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

One of the wonderful things about running my own business is that no one can tell me I have to retire. Why retire when life is productive and fun. I intend to keep writing and consulting until no one wants to see me or read my ideas.

Retirement should be based on choice and ability to manage on the money in your pension or savings. Many people return to work when they realize they haven't saved enough to live on and the new jobs tend to be way below the one they retired from.

John Hill said...

Good points Jim, but there are not 2.5 million jobs short, the number is far lower, and a moving target.

Part of unemployment is structural, part is elective.But in many areas there is a skill shortage.

Jim Tuffin said...

Hi Marilyn,

Thanks for your remarks they are most interesting. Like you I have also had my own business but as I got progressively older I found it more difficult to find work. Although I have 40 years of business experience and working, I maybe seen as 'pastit'!

I agree with you that retirement should a personal choice, but we also have to remember that some people have occupations that physically wear them out, and they struggle to get to 65.

Regards

Jim

Eileen Wong MBA (Marketing) said...

Dear Jim,

What a coincidence!

I did a small face-to-face research with a group of University students (2nd and 3rd Level) and new grads on this topic.

The young adults believe there will be insufficient jobs for them when those above 66 do not retire. More will reach out for welfare benefits as unemployed. The supposedly 'retirees' are more experienced regardless of their grades and job roles. Bosses cannot fire them without a good reason when they can produce. It is obvious that they can continue to work as long as they are healthy, able to compete and 'play' the game right with their bosses to retain them.

On the contrary, they agreed that there is a current wasted generation - youngsters unable to continue higher education due to tuition fees rise or vocational training, lose interest in education and employment as well as affected by bad social influence - lazing around, destructive and full of negativity in life. Hence, there may be a need for more 'retirees' to work above 66 to support the rebuilding of the economy for the next 5 years.

Interesting comparisons between the young workers and employees above 66:

- young families with more home and work responsibilities versus 'retirees' without children's or family's burden;
- working for money versus working for pleasure and as a pastime.
- importance in promotion versus satisfaction in job and pay
- healthy versus aged taking sick leave
- innovation and technology fast learning speed versus innovation and technology slow learning speed (different generations)
- cultural conflict when the office is becoming an old folks' home (I die laughing!)
- telling off the aged versus telling off the young with respect to work performance (young at the senior level and vice versa)
- hunger for new leadership versus stagnant boring leadership
- developing individuals versus developed individuals
- new methods versus old principles

My questions are:

1. What is the percentage and effects on the entire population seeking employment?
- aged willing to work because of survival reasons
- aged enjoy working at 70 plus to socialise

2. Do employers have the right to tell the 'retirees' to leave assuming an agreeable retirement age is incorporated in the employment contract and beyond that age, can this be mutually agreed? It will work better for each company to state the retirement age in the contract, adhering to the legal retirement age - maybe 66. I feel there will be a rise in age discrimination disputes with respect to employment. Will these cases be heard in time for the aged before they go to their graves - cutting 300 courts now and maybe more to reduce spending plus long waiting list for tribunal hearings :-)

3. How will succession work effectively when a company is employing more people who are above 66?

By the way, I have nothing against the Emergency Budget, but it is the delivery and implementation of changes that I am more interested in. The government can do a lot of cutting but I expect that there should be a balance in rebuilding the economy and not betraying their trust in terms of job creation and investment development. Asking the staff for recommendations to cut spending within their departments seems to appear open but without a heavy axe and penalty warnings, the results may not be effective. I may be wrong! Let's see...

Jim Tuffin said...

Thanks Eileen,

Interesting and thought provoking stuff.

Regards

Jim

Unimpressed said...

Come on, Jim, you're hosting this blog. Eileen makes an effort and asks some questions relating to your little ego trip and the best you can give her is an off the cuff one liner that makes the reader wonder if you even read her comment.

Don't have the intellectual capacity to evolve your arguments?

Jim Tuffin said...

Eileen mailed me directly and I responded. I asked her to add her comments to the blog so others could also see them.